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Buprenorphine - Two Edged Sword?!?!

Discussion in 'Opiate Withdrawal Treatment' started by princepts, Aug 14, 2015.

  1. princepts

    princepts Member

    It is interesting to read everyone's take on Buprenorphine Treatment. There are so many variables which can influence a negative or positive outlook on Suboxone/Subutex. Some of these include: whether or not addiction is perceived as a disease or not, supplemental therapy or counseling used to aid this type treatment and the general substance abuse history of the recovering addict. Overall, Buprenorphine Treatment is still new. I, for one, will not affirm that it is or is not a sort of crutch to replace opiate abuse. I do believe this though: in light of oxycontin epidemics which swept the nation a decade ago & compared to the average heroin user - the buprenorphine patient is a much more stable person. Their lives can progress forward easier and eliminate the facade of hopelessness often bearing down on drug addicts. By no means do we have a perfect system; yet, this new trend has proved it can deliver the critical thrust against the beast of drug addiction. It can liberate the enslaved and eradicate the bonds of depravity. What we have is suitable because it is effective. Is it a crutch? Maybe so, but being fortunate enough to have something to lean on gives the ailment a chance to heal.

    I would like to read the thoughts you all may have regarding the dynamics of Buprenorphine Treatment.
  2. deanokat

    deanokat Community Organizer Community Listener

    @princepts... Thanks for your post.

    My son was addicted to heroin and Suboxone really helped him get off of it. It wasn't the magic elixir by any stretch of the imagination. There was also rehab, therapy, support meetings, etc. But Suboxone kept my son safe and alive at a time I wasn't sure he'd stay alive. So I'm pretty comfortable with saying it saved his life. Is the system perfect? Absolutely not. But when prescribed and monitored by a physician, I believe Suboxone can truly help people change. To the folks who suggest it's not a good way to get clean, I say... Whatever works.
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  3. missbishi

    missbishi Community Champion

    All treatment for drug addiction is OK in my book and that includes Suboxone. The thing with opiate addiction is that simply stopping the opiate of choice (be it through cold turkey or drug replacement therapy) is not enough. An addict needs to address the issues which led to them using in the first place. So Suboxone use forms only part of the recovery picture.
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  4. Tryingtoquit

    Tryingtoquit Member

    Its horrible. I used it as a crutch for 6 years. Now withdrawling from it. 6 days now. Worst of the worst withdrawl. Almost unbarable. I wouldnt recommend it for anybody. Unless its prescibed an monitored by a doctor who understands not to use it as a long term med.
  5. deanokat

    deanokat Community Organizer Community Listener

    Being prescribed and monitored by a doctor is the only way Suboxone is meant to be used. Anytime someone uses a powerful RX drug without a doctor's guidance, they're playing with fire IMO.
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  6. Pugmom

    Pugmom Member

    I was on Suboxone 2 different times for a total of 6 years out of the 11 that I was using. If used correctly and for a short amount of time it is a useful tool. It is a tool NOT a way of life. Because of its half life it is extremely hard to get off of. The thing is that people are not getting off of it properly and then they relapse. I was going to a program the last 3 years and getting Suboxone. They were doctors and nurses and counsellors, it was dual diagnosis place. They had no clue how to properly dispense and wean people off of Suboxone. I got discharged for missing my appt. which meant no more Suboxone. Instead of looking on the streets again I decided to go online and do some research. I weaned myself off properly in 3 months. There was discomfort and a bit of an emotional roller coaster but I stayed strong and did not miss 1 day of work. It was manageable. You just have to be ready!! So I believe subs are poison but it is possible to get off. You can not stop cold turkey!!
  7. ToKenbetrue

    ToKenbetrue Member

    I am in the same boat as your son. And I didn't see a way out, from the opiats. But this is my third month on suboxone and it's working for me. I start IOP next week and have had no relapses, so I say thank GOD for suboxone, I'll take this ANYDAY over running out there looking for pills everyday. It might not be perfect but for right now it's working. Starting to feel normal again.
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  8. deanokat

    deanokat Community Organizer Community Listener

    @ToKenbetrue... I think you said it best when you said, "It might not be perfect but for right now it's working." Progress, not perfection, right? I think too many people are focused on perfection when it comes to recovery. But there are other ways to slay the beast. I'm glad things are working for you. And at some point down the road, when you're ready, you can get off the Suboxone.

    Sending you lots of hope and encouragement, my friend.
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  9. ToKenbetrue

    ToKenbetrue Member

    I'm new on here, but I really appreciate your words of encouragement. You are a GOD send, most non addicts just judge and berate us. Thanks so much. ..
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  10. ToKenbetrue

    ToKenbetrue Member

    Also, your son and you are in my prayers.
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  11. Coldhotpocket

    Coldhotpocket Member

    Suboxone should not be prescribes for no longer then 2 months and thats still pushin it. If you been on it for years good luck
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  12. Drew

    Drew Member

    Plz make sure you don't stay on suboxone for more than 2 months. Ween off as quick as possible so you won't become addicted like me. My doctor wanted to keep me as a patient as long as I was breathing. Quitting subox is rough. I'm on day 4 with detox and it actu ally gets better. I weened off myself down to 1/4 strip a day and then just quit. If anyone is up and wants to chat, I'm here and awake
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  13. Josh111187

    Josh111187 Community Champion

    Subutex has saved my life. I admit I have abused it and ran out early. And for that I paid dearly for the withdrawals are not like anything I can even begin to describe, and on top of that they last for what seems like forever. I am now using my Subutex as prescribed and tapering off under a psychiatrists care. Addicts would not recommend getting a major heroin addiction and go cold turkey off that so why do so many people complain that sub withdrawal is so hard to handle. Honestly I barely have noticed the taper since I started it properly when I was on 16 mg.
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  14. deanokat

    deanokat Community Organizer Community Listener

    Happy to hear Subutex has helped you, @Josh111187. When used as it's supposed to be used, it can be a lifesaver for a lot of people.
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  16. Loner

    Loner Member

    I started at 24 mg daily about 3 years ago. There was a time I liked it so much I just thought I'd stay on it forever and my doctor was fine with that I'm sure. I've tapered down to 8 mg daily and actually 6mg today....I'm gonna stay at 6 for a week anyways. How did you taper? I'm really curious about what worked for you
  17. Joshstillclean

    Joshstillclean Stupidity Exists - Fact.

    when i got down to 2 mgs i got 2 mg tabs then kept cutting that down. i was on an insane low dose when i jumped off and there were a few uncomfortable days its a heck of a drug...but ever tried to score oxy and you were sol? its much easier than that my friend, you can do it. stay hydrated, eat fruit! it helps
  18. True concern

    True concern Moderator

    I can't. Comment no experience, always cold turkey 320mgs oxy,90mg Norco, 220mg methadone,6mg Xanax, 7mgs cyclobenaprine, cold turkey 27 days staring death in the face SCREAMING FUK YOU...PURE HELL BARELY LIVED
  19. True concern

    True concern Moderator

    Many apologies to real!!
  20. Joshstillclean

    Joshstillclean Stupidity Exists - Fact.

    thats how a high dose buprenorphine cold turkey detox feels. its horrible.