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Discussion in 'Low Cost and Free Treatment' started by mightymap2, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. mightymap2

    mightymap2 Member

    If people are in trouble and have drug addictions it can be very difficult for them to be able to afford these rehab programs. I think the government should fund these programs or at least offer heavy financial assistance for people wanting to join these types of programs.
  2. DancingLady

    DancingLady Community Champion

    The government does not have the money to pay for this, and everything the government pays for turns into the least effective program of its kind. I think a better way to handle this would be to give people the opportunity to work while in the program to help pay for it. Once a person as gotten far enough along that they are capable of doing some work, they could join a work project and maybe work 5 hours a day or something like that.
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  3. bigbrain50

    bigbrain50 Member

    The US government does have federally funded programs geared towards detoxing and rehabilitating substance abusers, even in prison. Its just that these programs aren't found in many states. Attendances to some of these programs may even be court ordered.
  4. amethyst

    amethyst Community Champion

    In fact, in many countries there are hardly any rehab programs at all. In some third world countries they are almost unheard of. I posted in another thread about my experiences with helping a friend who was addicted to heroin. We could't get her into a rehab centre, as they were all overcrowded in our region, so we found an alternative for her on a horse farm where she worked for almost a year, and where she received appropriate care and treatment for her addiction.
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  5. Nick W.

    Nick W. Community Listener Community Listener

    I'd like to know where exactly you think this money is going to come from? The government isn't going to just print money for rehabs, it needs to come from somewhere. Many states are struggling to find funding for things like education and healthcare. I'm not sure putting the burden on our government is the best option.
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  6. stariie

    stariie Community Champion

    I agree with you here Nick, but I also find that people on drugs do get a lot of help sometimes from the government.
    I have a friend who was on crack, lost her place, got all 3 of her kids taken, and was basically living on the street, from pillar to post. Then she got into a drug program, and after she graduated from that program, they gave her a section 8 voucher, plus numerous vouchers to furniture stores worth hundreds of dollars, to furnish her place. That money is coming from somewhere. I know a couple other people that have benefited financially from drug programs.
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  7. jeremy2

    jeremy2 Community Champion

    Such scenarios are prevalent in most developing countries where drug addicts have difficulty in accessing rehab centers either because they are non-existent or due to their exorbitant costs.But am glad that the private sector is chipping in to address this issue and drug addicts are finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel.
  8. Nick W.

    Nick W. Community Listener Community Listener

    Yeah, it kind of seems like being rewarded for messing up. I know more than a few in the same situations, and it's mind boggling.
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  9. Charli

    Charli Community Champion

    Governments in different countries are all offering programs like these to drug addicts and alcoholics and it's only unfortunate that not all countries are advanced enough to have them. I think the best way to combat it is still to just enrich the local economy as well as the quality of life instead of officials giving in to pettiness and corruption because at the end of the day as long as the people are happy then they wouldn't need to abuse substances and we wouldn't need so much money to treat the symptom instead of the sickness itself.
  10. Miles Hansen

    Miles Hansen Member

    In Denmark where I am from, the government funds rehabilitation both when it comes to cigarettes, alcohol or more serious drugs. The thing to remember is that in Denmark we pay up towards 50% of our income in taxes. The money has to come from somewhere, and the government in, say, the US isn't build around this sort of system. Free rehabilitation is a great thing, and I wish it was available, but that is something that has to come through healthcare benefits, and the way I see it, the US government smply can't afford such a luxury, tragic as it is.
  11. notodrugs

    notodrugs Community Listener Community Listener

    But don't you think mightymap2 people will have more audacity to abuse substances knowing that they can be helped by the government if they get too involved with it? Besides, I think government funding should go to more noble causes. I think drug addiction can be avoided in the first place. I read that addicts get into it voluntary at first attempts and before they know it, they're addicted and can't get out. So if government funds the rehab and all, don't you think it is somewhat condoning the act?
  12. xTinx

    xTinx Community Champion

    That's odd. I mean, isn't America a welfare state? When you talk about welfare programs, including subsidized rehabilitation programs for substance abusers should be a no brainer. I found this website operated by the National Institute on Drug Abuse: https://findtreatment.samhsa.gov/TreatmentLocator/faces/quickSearch.jspx. Maybe you want to look into state-funded as well as non-profit treatment facilities near you or in your current location.
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  13. bourge_21

    bourge_21 Senior Contributor

    The best chances are sponsorship programs from concerned parties and humanitarian organizations. Rehabilitation is costly, and it requires the consent of the addict to go through the program. Although federal funds could be used, they are controlled and budgeted. Still, the best rehab choice would be to spend appropriate funds for its utmost effect.
  14. Mockingbird

    Mockingbird Member

    Obamacare has made it mandatory for certain things to now be in health care insurance, some of those things are mental health counseling and addiction care. It is limited, but it exists. All Americans are suppose to have enrolled in Health care programs, even those that are not enrolled are still eligible for care. The system is paid for by tax dollars. This does not necessarily pay for rehab, but at the least it can pay for someone to go to detox.

    I guess I don't see how that is so different then our tax dollars paying for those that are incarcerated to get clean. As far as putting the burden on the government surely you jest- the burden has always been on the tax payer.
  15. MissLisa

    MissLisa Member

    I was thinking that Obama Care have some type of coverage for addiction care, but I knew that if they do, it would be limited. they government has cut funding for various programs, especially programs like addiction care and non-profit programs. There need to be more fund raising activities in these areas since the government is limited on their assistance efforts.
  16. Nick W.

    Nick W. Community Listener Community Listener

    ObamaCare is a joke when it comes to healthcare. I can tell you that I currently work with 3 adults who are getting "treatment" for mental heath issues with ObamaCare. 1st, it took 4 months to get an appointment. 2nd, after that initial 4hr appointment they had to wait another 60 days before seeing someone who could start to help them, and 3rd, they are only covered for 10 visits a year. That's less than once a month. ObamaCare is not covering things the way most people would assume. You are right, it's better than nothing, but it's not much more than nothing.
  17. NikkiDesrosiers

    NikkiDesrosiers Senior Contributor

    I know it sounds harsh - but why would the government fund these programs and why would it be everyone else's problem to help someone fight their addiction. Do not get me wrong - I know that these programs are expensive and God Yes, I know that people need help getting into them but they also have to take accountability for their actions and not expect taxpayer to foot the bill
  18. Mockingbird

    Mockingbird Member

    Before Obamacare it took months to get an appointment ( at least in NY) even if you paid cash so that hasn't changed. I have never heard of anyone getting a four hour appointment. About the only time I know of where you did not have to wait the 60 days to get specialized help was if you overdosed or went right into detox or jail, then maybe at the very least they would help you through the detox period. Whether or not it would be easy or not is and was always debatable. Even if you have cancer you have to wait for a specialist, sometimes way to long and that's tragic. That is a big part of what is wrong with the health system and why people use emergency rooms instead.

    I am not saying Obamacare gave all the answers, it did open some potential for people that had minimal resources to maybe get some help. You might have been able to do that on medicaid, but if you had a plan like Healthy NY you had to pay for it on your own, and guess what if you had little income you probably did not bother. Sliding scale or not.
  19. Nick W.

    Nick W. Community Listener Community Listener

    I hear what you are saying, and I agree that it does provide some relief. My point was that it's still a tough, long, and complicated process. However, I misspoke when I said it was a joke when it comes to heathcare, I mean to say when it comes to Mental Health Care.... that's not to say that many other insurances and policies are also not ridiculous, but some are great. My wife was seeking resources for depression a few years back and she got an appointment within a week, didn't have to sit through an insanely long evaluation interview/appointment either, and was given something like 24 visits a year. It wasn't the best plan, but it wasn't the worst. Either way, some major reform needs to be made.
  20. Cryyo

    Cryyo Member

    What the government needs to do is legalize all drugs so that people stop looking down on the users and accepting that they are sick. Then the government can begin to create free rehab centers everywhere for people to go to. This makes it feel safe to go them as well, as well as not costing users the drug money they want to spend on drugs.