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Idealism and Addiction Myths

Discussion in 'General Substance Abuse Discussion' started by Bullwinkle, Oct 6, 2019.

  1. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Community Champion

    Idealism is when I envisioned or saw things in perfect manner and confused it with pragmatism. Perfection is the mistake, that contributed to my addiction via shame based ideas of self due to me not measuring-up, it’s I’m not enough-ism.

    Realism on the other hand, tends toward a more pragmatic and actual view of a situation. Pragmatism is an approach that assesses the truth of meaning of theories or beliefs in terms of the success of their practical application. A prime example of realism is the unscientific notion that came from the AA textbook, The Dr.’s Opinion, that alcoholics have an allergy to alcohol, yet to this day I still hear this myth at AA meetings. Another example is the myth that alcoholism / addiction is a disease due to genetic predisposition, this is via the AMA. This myth is very lucrative for the rehabs / treatment revolving doors of relapse. Alcoholism / addiction (symptom) is the cure for that of which purports to be the disease. The symptom is a frame of reference for the causes and conditions that create addiction.
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  2. Ecantu88

    Ecantu88 Senior Contributor

    The irony of addiction and recovery needing medication and treatment only solidifies the fact we will never see cures for anything. The money is in the treatment and quite frankly we are blinded by the government thinking there are regulations protecting us when in fact this is so much bureaucracy that pharmaceutical companies have loopholed around. I have noticed over the years the frequency of drug commercials on TV that never existed before. When I was growing up it was the Marlboro man and other cigarette commercials and then cancer came about and all the lawsuits and then the banning of that propaganda.
    I really wasnt going to weigh in I just wanted to like your post but hit the wrong key and said f it.
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  3. Onceaddicted77

    Onceaddicted77 Spam fighting Moderator & Realist Community Listener

    I have always looked at myself as a realist I think. I dont do myths or idealism they are fun to read but I'm a science guy. I believe there is an answer to every question and a solution to every problem. We must simply find it, understand it and put it to use.

    If I feel down today it's not because of my emotions or what happened to me yesterday. I believe it's a chemical imbalance and not one that even needs to be fixed.

    I get stuck sometimes in this notion that I am supposed to feel great everyday. That's not natural and I believe I learned that from doing drugs.

    We must swing from good to bad that is the natural way of balance.
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  4. Onceaddicted77

    Onceaddicted77 Spam fighting Moderator & Realist Community Listener

    However there are studies that it could indeed be somewhat of a genetic disposition.
    It is said that substances can cause gene expression and those expressed genes can be passed down to your children.

    It would seem that would be the case or how else did we evolve if it wasn't through gene expression.

    I believe the argument says that you can make your children more susceptible to substances because of that reason.

    The argument of addiction being a disease is they say it must effect an organ which it does, that being our brain and sobriety would be the cure.

    However our brain has plasticity and it's always changing to the chemicals we put in our body so that argument is kinda pointless.
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  5. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Community Champion

    A gene responsible for the movement of gamma-amicability acid (GABA) in synapses between neurons appears to be a gene associated with a higher risk of alcoholism. Notice the operative word “appears”. Every honest study will not claim that there’s a clear genetic isolation, even when there’s a preponderance of evidence, evidence is not proof, it's the trail that can lead to truth or fact. Antithesis studies, follow the money trail, and who benefits? I always look at who benefits in the context of power and money, power being the most insidious addiction of all.

    Both the addict's environment, genetics and biological tendency contribute to their addiction. People with very severe personality disorders are more likely to become addicts, as well as, some practice non-substance addiction behavior e.g. gambling, workaholism, materialistic hoarding, etc. Addictive substances and addictive non-substance behavior usually stop primary and secondary neuroses, meaning people with personality disorders like the temporary relief from their confusing painful uncomfortable feelings. If the relief weren't temporary, there wouldn't be addiction.
  6. Onceaddicted77

    Onceaddicted77 Spam fighting Moderator & Realist Community Listener

    That makes sense very informative stuff thank you for that response. I'm gonna read some more into it.

    Science in general and the Medical field do run on theory and practice and most treatments with medicines are formulated around theory most have yet to be proven. In other words a theory that appears to be correct is correct until proven otherwise in the science world.

    Its crazy to think that they really dont even understand the exact mechanism of action in alot of drugs. Alot of those being addictive. Follow the money. That's actually pretty scary.
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  7. True concern

    True concern Moderator

    Follow the money is really scary,I have researched where some pharmaceutical companies make the addictive,deadly substance as well as being the only ones with the antidote or medicine to help recover or block the addictive properties from there money making killer
  8. Bullwinkle

    Bullwinkle Community Champion

    My wife calls me sitting in line at an auto dealership with a car issue. She says the check engine light came on. I asked her, other than the check engine light, is the car running as it normally does, she affirmed it is. I told her to get out of line and go to the auto repair shop in the small town where we live. She called back an hour or so later from our small-town auto repair and said the auto mechanic showed her that it was a loose gas cap that wasn’t screwed on correctly. If she had the auto dealership look at it, it probably would have cost us big bucks.

    I get robocalls with all kind’s scams. The Police and Fire Benevolent Fund is one of the oldest scams. A very small % goes the police and fire deps., that’s how they get away with the scam. The boiler room callers get their commission and the boiler room owner gets a huge %.

    Many TV commercials are riddled with outright lies or lies by omission, and the lies work, otherwise these companies wouldn’t be running the expensive commercials over and over again.

    What this has to do with drugs and addiction and big pharma and heath care in the USA in general is that, it's all about money!!
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  9. Onceaddicted77

    Onceaddicted77 Spam fighting Moderator & Realist Community Listener

    I believe that. Greed is the Ultimate wrongful way to live. I cant imagine how fake their happiness truly is.
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  10. lovecraftXIX

    lovecraftXIX Active Contributor

    It will be most comfortable for a person to live as a realist. Trying to escape from the problem, people hide from the problem and put on "rose-colored glasses". This inclines us to use and the desire to forget pleasant feelings.
  11. lovecraftXIX

    lovecraftXIX Active Contributor

    It will be most comfortable for a person to live as a realist. Trying to escape from the problem, people hide from the problem and put on "rose-colored glasses". This inclines us to use and the desire to forget pleasant feelings.