I just had to post this I was watching Judge Mathis on television. This woman was trying to get back child support from her ex. Anyway the ex was a drug abuser street drugs as well as prescription. He was clean, and had been clean a while. The judge ask if he was NA he answered no it's not for me. I have done this on my own, and don't need that. The judge laughed and told him he would relaspe. That made me so mad I have been clean for 5 years with no help from AA or any other group. Just like the guy on the show said he did it because he had will power, and made up his mind to do so. I as well did the samething yes judge mathis it is possible. Those programs don't work for everyone because everyone isn't there to seek help they are there because they where forced into it period.