i have so much data compiled on kratom. you know what? i compared it to the data i had from before i went on-actually it was after i went on subs. i didn't even care about the side effects, or how addictive it was or heck, if it was gonna kill me in a year. i was so dope sick from methadone that i just needed relief.
i cannot describe how bad it was.
@True concern posted his story of screaming in agony and he's not far off.
the only thing i would say about his story is that it is excactly like that EXCEPT...worse than any words can describe. unless you've lived it then you just don't know. it is a life or death matter to the addict.
think about that. for anyone who has not experienced this think about being in such awful pain that you begin to hallucinate and wonder if you've died already. you can't drink water. if you didn't have an iv for hydration you'll die because if you do keep water down it just comes out of your rectum like urine..
i only say this to say true described withdrawal better than i've ever heard it described. and even then-it's worse than words can say.
and i say all of this to make this point. when you are dependant on something like that you are a little more willing to try something like kratom to see of it helps with withdrawals.
or to see if it helps your kidneys function again. i talked to my friend the compounding pharmacist. he has seen lots of people come off of opioids with the use of CBD oil and Kratom. He does not condone long term use of kratom, but he claimed the people that he has helped have been able to kick a habbit a lot faster than with methadone and suboxone. and most people ( like me now ) end up stuck on them for a long time- or life. imagine that.
i go monthly to have my bloodwork taken because thats just what you do when your in my situation.
i decided screw the research. if you read the resaerach on Suboxone or Methadone, you'd say NO WAY! that stuff is stronger, more addictive and harder to come off of than Heroin!!!!!
and you would be right! so since the major cons that has everyone against kratom are these --addictive, can interfere and cause death with other meds, can cause respiratory depression (which i think has been de-bunked), has a tendency to lead to abuse, causes depression upon ceasing and other mild stuff, i'm not worried.
side effects of SUB--DEATH. first one. well that's a whole lot of B.S. too. but i know that i have read the most rediculous things about pot that i discredit everything the person says. because of one "Dr.s" claim that too much pot can indeed cause death i discredit everything else he says. He is stupid. must own some big pharma stock or something...
i have two weeks left until i get my bloodwork done this time around. today i DID NOT take subutex. i took a low dose of kratom. i am having cravings for subs, but not intense. i will continue to see how this goes, if i feel bad, or my kidneys hurt then i will stop taking it and go to Subutex which i don't want to do.
i have my doctors approval. it is legal here and he is all for natural. he did warn me to not abuse it. he told me to use as little as i could like the subutex (which you can shoot up and get higher than the moon).
i do not feel anything from the kratom. nothing. the only thing i can say is i don't feel anything from not having the sub except for cravings.
so since i talked to my dr and if i dont take the sub while i take the kratom then he's ok with it. i will make my judgement on it when i get the results from my bloodwork back. if they are good. great.
if they are not as good as when on the subs, well, crap. i give up and i'll stop trying to fight big pharma.
i was writing a post referencing the effects and the bad stufff that can happen if you over do kratom and then i looked at the side efects of the suboxone, and it was like a lightbulb.
a plant grows out of the ground...
we have money to study inverting penises and turning them into vaginas, but we can't study this possibly life saving herb that could benefit opioid sufferers?
stupid! so with my doctors approval i'll be the lab rat. I bet i get good results too. by the way, three doses of 1.2 grams from a very reputable supplier. i have felt nothing all day. to be honest i did expect to feel something. but no. i just didn't feel bad. and that's good enough for me.
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