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Legalizing all drugs/substances, is this a good idea?

Discussion in 'General Substance Abuse Discussion' started by pineywood, May 16, 2015.

  1. pineywood

    pineywood Community Champion

    I wanted to start a new thread because our discussion is a little off topic under the other thread.
    http://talk.drugabuse.com/threads/a...hats-what-marijuana-is.2140/page-3#post-34037

    Okay, as discussed, there is a benefit for regulating these now illegal substances, so we are not dealing with who knows what is an illegal man-made drug. At the same time, I am not a proponent for the need to experiment with all kinds of drugs in order to decide for yourself what works and what doesn't.

    For example, I just can not wrap my head around the need, let alone benefit to hallucinate. Believe me, I have tried to understand, but have come up with no logical reason. Perhaps you could expand on why you think it is important to play around (experiment) with some of these substances beyond the fact that we should not allow others to tell us what is good or bad for us?
  2. Lackluster

    Lackluster Active Contributor

    In all honesty, I do not think it's the government's right to tell us as individuals what we can and can't do to our body, and what we can and can't put into it. Using drugs is not a great thing, but people should and do live their lives the way they see fit, and if that includes getting high so be it. Doctors are allowed to pump any number of substances into patients so long as they describe it, and I think an individual should have more control over what they take than even a doctor does.

    So long as they aren't a menace to society, and do not break the law, then power to the people that use. Instead of incarcerating folk, help them - get them treatment if they cause problems, don't cuff them and send them to get a diploma at Better Criminal University. Criminalization is a cycle that starts by taking people who brush up against the edge of the law, and plunging them fully into the criminal world.

    And as far as hallucinogenics go, I do not see the issue at all. LSD is probably one of the safest (health-wise) drugs there is, with no apparent physical addiction. People report that these types of drugs have helped them, and I think that is a perfectly valid, acceptable, and even respectable viewpoint - bearing in mind I'm talking about responsible use.

    Legalize it. There are plenty of people addicted to substances that only hurt them, and we need to help them, not imprison them. We'll stretch out a hand to those who slip through the cracks, and for those that can and do use responsibly, they can live better lives without fear of the law over their heads. And for the addicts who truly need it, making the substances legal could help them far more, by allowing them to wean at a clinic without fear of reprisal. Or any more reprisal than a doctor would bill you for, at least.
  3. Charli

    Charli Community Champion

    The benefits of hallucinogenic and psychedelic substances might not seem beneficial on a surface level but I would contest that it has just not been given the proper chance to shine where it is supposed to be in the modern era as it's been continually demonized by media and government and media for decades. In ancient tribes, and even in current ones left untouched by progress, most of them use such natural resources to cure people of anxiety and other psychological and emotional bothers, not as a magic pill but more of a chance for an awakening or a different perspective. I've read of some people partaking in such activities now and have claimed that the experience cured them of anything from depression to their alcoholism just because seeing a different side of life just caused them to have a better perspective and allowed them for better reevaluation.

    As for man made substances, I don't really claim them to be harmless, but I think the case I made is more for freedom to choose rather than just the substances themselves. I don't believe anyone else should have the right to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't experiment with as long as it will cause no harm to others or themselves. We must remember that just because people up top wear better suits and drive better cars doesn't make them more rightful in any way to tell anyone what they can or can't do to their bodies, and in all honesty I don't believe they make it illegal out of concern anyway and more just due to financial and political reasons which in my opinion just makes the decision even worse and irrational.
  4. pineywood

    pineywood Community Champion

    You have given me a lot to consider. It is going to take me a few days to register all you thoughts on this matter. Nonetheless, I do again with your wholehearedly about the need for addicts to receive treatment vs jail time. Now when it comes to people manufacturing (not addicts) these illegal controlled substances, I think jail time should be a consequence, whether legalized or not.

    I understand your point about responsible use, I just wonder what you mean by benefiting from hallucinations. Seriously, I am quite interested in understanding why and how? At the same time, your reference to the fact that LSD (along with Peyote, Psilocybin, PCP) not being physically addictive. Brief description found here http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/hallucinogens-lsd-peyote-psilocybin-pcp

    I eventually stumbled on to the work of Dr. David Earl Nichols. Not that I am saying yes or no to any of his research, he is indeed one of the top players in the field with legitimate research on the chemistry of psychedelics. I am actually quite excited to have run across him as lately my focus is on dopamine receptors and serotonin (2a and 2c) in the brain. So yeah, what I am saying is I would like to understand this more. It is an issue that has literally hit my home-front and I take it seriously to understand both drugs and the brain.

    I do not have time today, but here is a link to a video, I plan to watch it soon and get back on my thoughts.



    I hear you loud and clear. I am not a proponent necessarily for the addition of anything to change our brain receptors, I would wish in a perfect society that we did not need anything. But the the world is not perfect and some peoples brains are not wired (some for such layman's terms) to live a healthy productive life. I would much rather homeopathic means, but I am not going to be close minded, thus looking forward to understand this more. Truthfully, the way the Nixon administration handled the legalization of drugs is quite disturbing. At the same time, as mentioned in both posts, the need for being responsible is essential and can not be debated. It is a fact in my mind that misuse and overuse of any substance whether legal or not is harmful. I will give your response more thought and get back to you later with more of my thoughts.

    Thanks to both of you for taking the time to respond so thoughtfully! It is because of you that I am now able to expand my personal research and found research (and there is a lot) by Dr. David Earl Nichols!
  5. Lackluster

    Lackluster Active Contributor

    There are clinical trials with positive results showing that LSD and other psychoactive drugs can help people with PTSD and other mood/emotional disorders deal with their issues better, and in the case of PTSD help them overcome or manage their triggers better.

    This is a clinical setting I'm talking about here, I'm not really saying that people should do these kinds of drugs randomly or for fun, but they've been indicated for beneficial medical use since the sixties.
  6. Rainman

    Rainman Community Champion

    Much as some of the drugs it is said can be used to treat depression, free someone from apathy, etc, etc, fact is these drugs don't solve the underlying issues that led to someone being depressed, etc. There are alternative ways to deal with things as those.

    With depression the "chemical imbalance" can be fixed by a diet change or taking vitamin supplements and maybe. What I'm saying in short is, beneficial or not, we can do without drugs and the government should see to it that those who desire to use them for recreational purposes don't get them because the side-effects or the effects of long term usage are harmful to the person abusing the drug.
  7. pineywood

    pineywood Community Champion

    Gotcha, you are not promoting recreational use, but talking about clinical settings. I have a close relation dealing with PTSD, along with other issues (as implied in other posts dealing with an autistic daughter and her mood/emotional disorder (interesting term, by the way), no prescribed medication has ever helped her and we have run the gambit. I am not nor ever been an advocate for her being "drugged", but as it is or shall I say was her choice to try, all I can or could be is/was be supportive. Nor, am I saying I would like her try LSD, I just am trying to understand this issue. So again, thanks!

    Wondering, if you have first-hand experience with a chemical imbalance being "fixed" with a diet change and or taking vitamin supplements? Because in my hearts of heart, I wish this would be the cure all be all way to treat chemical imbalances. At the same time, I am in total agreement about the importance of a proper diet.
  8. Rainman

    Rainman Community Champion

    One of my friends was a sex and porn addict. Almost all day long he was online viewing porn, masturbating and in the evening creeping after hookers. As most addictions go, depression swept him off his feet. He thought more sex would solve his problem. It didn't. I advised him to see a doctor, maybe he could get help. They told him to take some pills but it didn't help. He soon realized that for any medication to work, he had to give up his bad habits.

    A week of abstinence, no drugs and a little exercise got him back on his feet. We did some research together and learned that he needed to have more dairy, white meat, etc in his diet. Two months later, he was totally OK.

    That's what made me believe that the right [depending on the circumstances] diet certainly can help when it comes to dealing with conditions related to chemical imbalance. By no means I am suggesting that it's one cure for all chemical imbalances. But maybe some [non-addictive] herbal medicines could.
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  9. Lackluster

    Lackluster Active Contributor

    Your general health has a far more substantial impact on your life than you could ever imagine - your depression could be exacerbated by lingering pain that is caused by something you'd never imagine, like slumping too much in your chair. Most of the time, it's all the tiny, insignificant things in our life that taken individually mean nothing but taken as a whole can break you. To use a cliche, the straw that breaks the camel's back. Your drinking problem could stem from a general negative outlook on life caused by a bad experience at the gym. It's important to analyze all facets of your life for areas you can improve - and yes, even diet changes can significantly affect everything from your pain levels to your mood.


    :EDIT: I use 'you' a lot here, but I'm not referring to you specifically. I'm just not good with breaking the mould with my descriptive writing.
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  10. pwarbi

    pwarbi Community Champion

    While I'm not sure that making everything legal is the right way to go, I think a lot of subsatnaces can be decriminalized. That might then make the authorities focus on rehabilitation and prevention rather than punishment when it comes to substance abuse.
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