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Discussion in 'Prescription Drugs' started by DoxyMom, May 23, 2019.

  1. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    I posted about this in my methadone journey thread but not everyone will see it. I have been suffering with a horrible toothache for about two weeks. I went to the dentist on Monday and he said he would medicate me. I assumed antibiotics which we discussed. His assistant asked me if I wanted Vicodin and I said no. I took the paper and left. I dropped off the script and got it the next day. A paper fell out of my purse yesterday and I picked it up and saw it was a script for Vicodin. It is only 10 pills but still, I told them no and they gave it to me anyway. I took it in to my counselor at the methadone clinic this morning and she said this was huge! I agreed because I would of normally got outside to my car and searched for that script and got it filled and ate all 10 pills. I just had my second clean urine the day before and don't want to jeapordize anything.

    Then I go to dose and tell the nurse. He says, I am allowed to get the script filled so long as I bring in the paper to tell them I got it filled. He said the methadone blocks the euphoria but will give me pain relief. Now why didn't my counselor tell me that? Oh well, I will keep taking Advil and hope the antibiotics start working soon. I am going to call the dentist today to see if they can get me in to Xray this spot instead of the spot they did the other day so he can see what is going on. I sometimes wonder if us opiate addicts punish ourselves due to the fact that we gobbled so many pills in our life?
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  2. deanokat

    deanokat DrugAbuse.com Community Organizer Community Listener

    Stick with the Advil, @DoxyMom. That's the best solution, in my opinion. You're doing a great job. I just want you to know that. I have so much respect and admiration for how you've handled this journey you're on. Bless you, my friend.
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  3. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    Thank you deanokat. I can't even begin to tell you how much it means to me that you are even responding with everything that is going on with your son. God bless you. You have been such a help to me!
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  4. deanokat

    deanokat DrugAbuse.com Community Organizer Community Listener

    The world doesn't stop because my son overdosed. We're dealing with it. But I want to be there for my forum family, too. :)
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  5. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    I'm glad you are here. I'm sure it helps you too. I didnt' even call the dentist, I just figured I would let the antibiotics try and work and continue to take Advil. My husband is on vacation but he does the grocery shopping anyway and I told him when I went home for lunch he has to get more as I just opened the last bottle and the way I'm eating it, I will need more. :rolleyes:
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  6. True concern

    True concern Community Champion

    Speaking strictly for myself i would say YES i have punished myself but its all documented here,Now that i recognize that i have been working real hard to not punish myself but i have at times felt i am not worthy of the happiness and peace sobriety delivers,Ive said this before and it is so true{The hardest fight ive ever been in is the fight against myself}But i reachout often like a lost child maybe seeming needy at times but i am trying so very hard to get on stable ground and maybe i rely on this forum to much but as of this moment its what i know and you all are who ive got so yes i lean,i lean with all my weight
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  7. cheffy

    cheffy Community Champion

    I've recently gone through just the opposite experience - being turned down from getting a prescription for pain killers when you genuinely need them - like when you have surgery and actually do need the pain meds for when you go home. I've been free from alcohol and narcotics for maybe 4-5 years now. In this situation I had a lower back problem, a bulging disc that was extremely painful - the kind of pain that can bring a person to their knees. Every minute or two, mainly when I turned the slightest twist or bending even just a little bit. This pain was pretty close to being the worst pain in my life. This was like a seizure in the lower back where all the muscles just tighten and freeze while the nerves felt like they were on fire and would radiate outward through my whole back. Each one would last about 20 - 30 seconds. My wife took me to the local ER and they sent me to another bigger ER. This was at like 2:00am running around town trying to find the hospital to get an MRI while every bump in the road would set the pain off. Once there, they gave me 1 valium to get through the MRI. The doctor affirmed the bulging disk diagnosis from the MRI.

    I always tell my doctors that I have addiction problems, plus they can see it in my history. I'm very transparent with all of that. I asked for just enough meds to get through this, not necessarily pain meds but something like a muscle relaxant maybe, and my wife (who was there with me) promised that she would handle all the meds. No chance - not even a muscle relaxant. I'm allergic to aspirin, ibuprofen, and most other over the counter pain meds. He saw how bad the pain was but he simply said to use heat/cold, take tylenol and that it should be healed in about SIX WEEKS! The pain did get better after about a week, so at least I got through that worst part. The Hippocratic Oath they swore to when they graduated to 'doctorhood' has a part that says 'I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required' and somewhere else it says 'will never harm a patient'. Withholding drugs that are needed seems to discount the 'all measures that are required' part, and also seems like a measure that causes harm to me. There must be some way they can deal with this kind of situation, but not for me, not that night anyways. Have any of you ever been in this situation?
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  8. True concern

    True concern Community Champion

    i sympathize with you @cheffy but no i have quite the opposite problem and i dont do it anymore but i can or have been able to get any Dr to give me whatever i want whenever i wanted,im not proud that i exploited bullshit to enhance my addiction however it is the truth and i no longer do it,not because i cant but because i want a normal life again
  9. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    It seems like it's all or nothing. I haven't had to get anything besides this case and I'm going to stick with Advil. I know of people who aren't addicts who had this problem so that may of been just the way that doctor does things. I would think a few muscle relaxers would of been fine and probably the most helpful.
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  10. cheffy

    cheffy Community Champion

    You know, I say these things about how the meds were necessary and how badly I needed them, but at the end of the day, I ask myself if I'm being truthful to myself and I just don't know. I think there was still an element of addiction at play - kind of like getting that slight feeling of expectation you get when you finally find something that you want and have been looking for forever, that feeling in your stomach like when you go over a hill fast. Then you ask yourself, is it harder putting up with the pain for a week, or having to go through that whole detox/rehab thing again. That question puts the problem right at the center of your thoughts, and that's where you become a success or a failure - success with that feeling of "I DID IT - I turned them down!" or failure with that feeling of "I'm useless, I've let everyone, and most importantly myself, down - why bother going on?". I think you and @True concern, and some others here have something to be super proud of - being able to just turn 'want' for the damned drugs off - being a success!
  11. Dominica

    Dominica Author, Writer, Recovery Advocate Community Listener

    @DoxyMom i'm so so proud of you for steering clear of vicodin and for taking the situation to your clinic. you're working your recovery hard, and that's something to really be proud of... i do hope you can get the tooth fixed soon. i know how that sort of thing can hurt so much.

    you're doing amazing. and i appreciate your presence here.

    @True concern you do not lean here too much. not possible. we all need support sometimes, and it's great you can come here and get it. i love it that we can all come here and feel accepted and loved...without conditions. this IS an extended family!!

    @cheffy sorry you had to go through that. i've not had that situation.

    aren't there non-narcotic pain medications (non-addictive) they can prescribe? if so, don't they work???
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  12. Joshstillclean

    Joshstillclean Community Champion

    Yes there are. Especially for spinal injuries/nerve pain.
    I had to calm down before I responded to this. It angers me how mean some doctors are.
    My sister will be prescribing stuff soon and I asked her the other day if she would prescribe me pain meds if ibwas hurt. She told me that I would have to be hurting pretty bad but yes.
    She told me only reason id have to be hurting really bad is cause I'm her brother.
    But My point is she herself has had issues. She gets it. And she's spent the night next to me in the hospital praying I wake up from an od.
    She knows though that I'm still human and don't deserve to hurt.
    She told me that she would prescribe me methadone. And make damn sure i took it right.
    I'm wondering why your still hurting @DoxyMom being on methadone. It has always done great for tooth pain for me. Did they not fix the problem?
    @cheffyWTF!??!?
    Were you exhibiting drug seeking behavior?(I highly dought it)
    I would not let that Dr get off so easy. Before I posted this I called my sister and asked her what the protocol was Jim a flagged patient situation like this...she said easy. Give methadone. Follow up with pain clinic with a note for methadone from back specialist. And even flagged a patients get methadone. She said ALWAYS! this was cruel.
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  13. cheffy

    cheffy Community Champion

    Thanks for your posts everyone! @Dominica - Please understand I'm allergic to any aspirin/ibuprofen type or related pain relievers, so that narrows things down a bit. Yes there are some other non-narcotic pain meds that can be prescribed but the only one that does anything for nerve related issues (that I know of) is gabapentin (Neurontin) and my regular doctor had me stop that one a while back because there may be addiction problems with using it as an adjunct with other meds. I had been on that for like maybe 6 or 7 years for my spine surgeries (four of them - no WONDER I'm addicted to pain killers!) and like I think @Joshstillclean and @DoxyMom say/imply, there are a number of muscle relaxants that would have helped and would have been fine with me. One other that I've had for pain is Celebrex, but that only works for joint pain, and it does a great job of it, but is not what I needed. I tried it for the nerve pain a few times and it did nothing. But - I'm through it all now so I'm OK, and I'm happy to not have to go to detox and rehab after getting wound up in that whole addiction game again!
  14. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    Thanks everyone my tooth feels better in that it is not throbbing and the swelling has gone down but it hurts to open my mouth too wide or if I touch that spot. When I finish the antibiotics I will see where I am and go back to the dentist if need be. This thread was really supposed to be about the fact of how I treated the script I was given and how huge that was. I'm glad some of you recognized that. My counselor made it a point to tell me to share it here and when her and I discussed other things she said she wanted to circle back to that because it was so big. I agree especially since I'm so early in my recovery and avoiding a relapse is so important. I need to celebrate these accomplishments. Positive reinforcement and all that.
    On a side note I got to meet my 4 month old Granddaughter yesterday. My son is up visiting from VA.
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  15. cheffy

    cheffy Community Champion

    Yes, I'm very sorry - I kind of hijacked this thread without realizing it. In any case, you've done in a few weeks, or even days, what it took me like two years to be able to do. At best, that script would have ended up in one of my hiding places, just in case I needed it for tomorrow. You've definitely taken the path less trodden and that's a really super thing to be able to claim.
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  16. Joshstillclean

    Joshstillclean Community Champion

    That's great about your recovery going good. I guess ones a thinking kind of like you were though because like with subutex, I thought you wouldn't even feel 10 Vicodin. Its just the nature of the drug methadone. Methadone is one of thevstrongest pain killers there are so I guess ideas confused. If given,a choice between methadone and Vicodin I would choose methadone. Thats why people have to take so much more heroin to get high after methadone. Because its so strong. I thought it was a mistake they wrote it.
  17. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    It just goes to show you why there is an epidemic. I told them no and they gave it to me anyway. @cheffy it's ok what I posted struck a nerve with you and I get it. What you said later resonated with me as there were times when I was in pain and they wouldn't give me anything. It made me mad now I think I see it for what it was addict behavior.
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  18. Joshstillclean

    Joshstillclean Community Champion

    I understand where everyone is coming from. I really do here is my question. A Dr performs an operation or pulls a tooth or does a root canal or as recently happened with me sets a broken bone.
    Where do they draw the line at when it comes to not dispensing pain meds?
    I know my dr well. And he told me that if I had not just gone back on subutex then he would send me home with a prescription for methadone.
    He knows me well enough to know that if i decided I had been hurting long enough and on top of that was pissed because he didn't care to give me anything that could send me right back to downtown Atlanta where I could get my hands on anything.
    So do they just get to deny because we have been flagged? This treatment doesn't seem fair to me. This is an interesting conversation.
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  19. Dominica

    Dominica Author, Writer, Recovery Advocate Community Listener

    I think it may vary for each person/scenario. not sure the doc's know what to do in some situations, feeling the pressure from both sides.
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  20. DoxyMom

    DoxyMom Community Champion

    I think it depends on their training and experience with it. They all need continuing education on pain management. There has to be a happy medium.