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The Price We Pay

Discussion in 'Sobriety Tips and Inspiration' started by gracer, May 11, 2015.

  1. gracer

    gracer Community Champion

    There is a law called 'Karma', there's good karma and there's bad karma. It depends on which path we choose. If we abuse our bodies through drugs and substances, the law of bad karma applies. My point here is, whatever we do to our body the result will always be equal to the action we make.

    I've met a lot of people who suffered the consequences of their negative actions. An example is a man who died of liver cancer because of chronic alcoholism. These are the prices we have to pay for all the bad things we do to our bodies. Let's rethink things out before it's too late.
  2. dyanmarie25

    dyanmarie25 Community Champion

    I really believe in such thing as "karma." That is why I always try to be kind to others and never disrespect them. I remember the quote, "Don't do to others what you don't want to do unto you."
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  3. FuZyOn

    FuZyOn Community Champion

    I've "met" bad karma in a lot of situations and when I realised that all my actions have a bad or good following I started to be kind and respectful to everyone.
    It changed my life in a way, because I'm now a much better person since I understood this principle.
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  4. Rainman

    Rainman Community Champion

    Most drug addicts at the moment they are using a drug seem to forget that they'll have to pay some day. There's this one man who'd been drinking a lot, doctors told him alcohol would kill and he rudely informed that that it was his life. Three years later, he was dead. Strange thing though is right before he died, when he got to the hospital he was begging the doctors to save his life. It was too late though.

    Abuse drugs and eventually . . . they'll kill you.
    Last edited: May 13, 2015
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  5. GenevB

    GenevB Community Champion

    I wouldn't even dare to call that karma. I mean, if you jump off a building, you call it karma if you die?! That is only cause and effect and it's a true fact that we must assume everything we do to our body at the end of day. But hey, no one gets out of life alive anyway...
  6. d4rk3n

    d4rk3n Active Contributor

    I think that an addict's conscience is clearly clouded, he can't see the good from the bad. His judgment is flawed.

    So naturally an addict shouldn't believe in Karma. So when someone says them that they will suffer from their addiction, their mind tells them otherwise. They think that somehow they will be able to survive.

    You can see this from the example @Rainman gave. The guy didn't care when he was told that he will die, because he thought that he will survive. However, when he had to face the harsh reality, he clearly couldn't accept it.
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  7. bluedressed

    bluedressed Community Champion

    I don't believe in karma. Saw too many people doing wrong things and never getting screwed for it, and good people having bad lives and then dying young. I know it feels safer to believe the world is fair, but it's really not. We should try to do our best because it's not fair -- because "when nothing we do matter, then all that matters is what we do."
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  8. imperivm1

    imperivm1 Community Champion

    I am not a superstitious person. If karma refers to retribution, then, yes, not everyone pays for their wrongdoings. However, I do believe in the laws of entropy on a grand scale. In other words, energy (or in this case, us doing good or bad things) is never lost in the universe, it is simply transformed and/or displaced in space. This means that our bad deeds will be somehow permanently imprinted in some particular dimension. In order to restore the balance of nature, these bad deeds should be countered by an opposite. It is not specified whether we ourselves will be the ones atoning for our sins but someone certainly will. It's just that we are far too insignificant and minuscule to comprehend this.
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  9. zaerine

    zaerine Community Champion

    Right, what we input to our bodies will eventually have an effect on us. Just like you, I knew some who died from liver cancer. I also knew some who have high blood pressure and stroke even on their early 30's because of too much alcohol drinking.
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  10. bluedressed

    bluedressed Community Champion

    Yeah, I think that sounds better. Though for this, I'd have to say that we are the only animal on earth who sees a balance between right and wrong. If we were to disappear, I think the concept would vanish since most animal acts are not evil or good, they just are. From our lenses, it does make sense that we see another layer upon it.

    I'd actually be fine if, instead of being an imbalance towards "wrong", there would be an imbalance towards "good", for instance! :)
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  11. Charli

    Charli Community Champion

    I agree. While I've seen and heard of people living past a hundred even if they smoked and drank all their lives, I think the general public isn't as fortunate when it comes to genetics. It's best to keep safe and if one is to over indulge, then it's probably better if they are able to find a way to offset an unhealthy habit. It's no different to me than a person who likes to eat junk food but exercises so he could actually eat it everyday.
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  12. serenity

    serenity Community Champion

    Yeah you can put it that way, but I would like to call it "The Law Of Cause And Effect" because you are harming your own body. For me, karma is leaning more toward what you have done to other people, and you will get a dose of your own medicine when the universe makes you reap what you sow.
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  13. adfnio

    adfnio Community Champion

    You're right about that. I had a hard time trying to reply based on the OP Karma bebate. It's is the Law of Cause and Effect.
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  14. Jericho Mercado

    Jericho Mercado Active Contributor

    Cause and effect, Karma, choices, I would chock it all up to consequences.
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  15. Tremmie

    Tremmie Community Champion

    The idea of good and bad karma has always intrigued me, but I don't always see it working the way is supposed to. Take my sister as an example, she is having such a good life (or so I have heard), and she is a very bad person who even made someone lose their job on purpose. Yes, she is that kind of evil. Still life for her still seems very good.

    I've seen that not all the time the bad people pay the price of their bad behaviour, I find that very disappointing to be honest. There are people who have yet to face the consequence of their actions, but I'm still hopeful. Because I do believe in a balance.
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  16. jkendall

    jkendall Member

    Usually when I think of karma I think of it in a more extrinsic form; as in the energy we put out into the universe is the type of energy that comes back to us. I do however agree with your sentiment and this notion of an intrinsic karma. This is why healthy living (exercise and a healthy diet) is so crucial for recovery. We must nurture and care for our bodies after the torment we have put it true.
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  17. JonnyMacdonald

    JonnyMacdonald Community Champion

    I'm not to sure about the idea of Karma, but God certainly pays attention to what we do. The more positive things we do then we earn credit in the Lord's eyes, and we lose credit when we act against His will. It's like a divine debit account.
    We are so blessed that even with a negative balance, God will never declare bankruptcy on our souls. He will always allow redemption because His love for us in unending.
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  18. Megan S

    Megan S Member

    I have heard this said by an older (insert wiser) lady before. She had many struggles with her large family and had some very strange things occur in her life. She was strong in her faith and all her children were very well mannered and hard working. I was having a difficult time even though I was doing many good deeds and basically working for pennies just to survive. It was stressful to have more bills than income and I was breaking apart from the long hours and very little money to cover the work I was completing. She had said that the good will be rewarded. It may not necessarily be rewarded to you, but your children, spouse, etc. That thought process got me through that rough time.
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  19. kjonesm1

    kjonesm1 Community Champion

    I am a strong believer in karma and the golden rule over everything. Our actions cause reactions and we need to be careful of what we do to ourselves and to each other.
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  20. kassie1234

    kassie1234 Community Champion

    Very interesting way to look at it - I agree that if we are doing bad deeds to our body then yes - ultimately time is going to catch up with us. It might not be this week, this month or this fact the effects of it may not be felt for decades. However in time the effects usually do catch up. It's a new take for me on how to look at it but an important one.
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