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What Was the Deal with Salvia?

Discussion in 'Other Substances' started by keekz38, May 4, 2015.

  1. keekz38

    keekz38 Member

    Remember when Salvia was really popular? what ever happened to that? do people still do it? Do you guys have any experiences with it? This is a drug I've never really known much about.
  2. MyDigitalpoint

    MyDigitalpoint Community Champion

    There is already a thread on Salvia you may like to read,

    This hallucinogen was widely used by priests in ancients MesoAmerican civilizations, mainly in Mexico, where it was recently banned.

    Salvia was used to get high and get in touch with gods and goddesses more than being used as a recreational drug for fun.
  3. kana_marie

    kana_marie Community Champion

    I've never tried it, never wanted to. But I've been there when someone else did a couple times. And here's what it was like from my point of view as well as how they described it: took a hit off the pipe, suddenly couldn't make sense of anything, most intense trip in the world, and 2 minutes later it was over. One guy spent 2 minutes laughing hysterically. One guy jumped up and ran outside, made it half way to the road and then it was done. I have no desire to trip at all, much less something that intense.
  4. kana_marie

    kana_marie Community Champion

    I doubt you can anymore, but they used to sell them exclusively and legally in head shops. If they are making drugs with less of a negative effect illegal, I really hope this one is illegal, too
  5. missbishi

    missbishi Community Champion

    I tried it once, about 10 years ago. It was more intense than the effects of marijuana but nowhere near as trippy as LSD or mushrooms. I felt dreadful the next day though and never went near the stuff again.
  6. kana_marie

    kana_marie Community Champion

    Stories about why other people won't go near it again has been enough to keep me from trying it at all lol.
  7. Ttirb

    Ttirb Active Contributor

    I've never tried LSD or mushrooms but the day after salvia I also felt dreadful. I remember feeling like I was lucky to be alive for some reason. It was a real eye opener for me I was so scared after I did it. It probably doesn't help that I had a bad trip. I would never touch that **** again. I wouldn't even try mushrooms or LSD after my experience with salvia.
  8. movingforward1

    movingforward1 Active Contributor

    I tried it like 10 years ago, too. I think it was only popular because it was legal. I dont know of many people that had a pleasant experience. Or of anyone that sought it once it became illegal.
  9. Tsky45

    Tsky45 Community Champion

    This was a crazy drug. Even tho this was suppose to be harmless, I think people didn't like the effects. This stuff would make you feel like you had a stroke or something. You couldn't even function at all with this. I think it lost popularity because you can't use this at parties, you'd probably pass out and get robbed or something.
  10. kadiyania

    kadiyania Member

    In my opinion Salvia aka Diviner's Sage aka S. Divinorum is very misunderstood. Most people are familiar with a product called 20X salvia sold in stores/head shops , I think they also sell something called 5X , 40X and 60X. The bottled product is very different than a real salvia leaf. The product is a concentrated form of salvia much like hashish to marijuana that has been altered with various material's in order to be able to be smoked as real salvia (leaf form) must be smoked with a torch. Real Salvia (leaf) must reach a burning temperature of about 500 degree's F in order to evaporate the terpenoids within the material. Most of the bottled sold materials can be smoked with a normal lighter.

    It is still legal most everywhere. In plant form and in Processed form. The plant gains many mystic and mixed story's based on its ecology. S. Divinorum is 1 of approximately 17,000 Salvia variety's and the only one known to product a psychedelic effect and unlike most Salvia variety's (and all plants in general) , S. Divinorum has lost it evolutionary ability to produce seed's. Flowers are very rare on this variety and when produced make a sterile pollen. Propagation is only by natural or artificial cutting's. This method of growth and propagation has lead people to think it has had a divine intervention in its evolutionary path, hence "Diviner's Sage".

    Historically Shamans in Central Mexico would use chewed S. Divinorum as a catalyst to apply medicines they administered either orally or intravenously into wounds , never really using it to produce a 'high' effect. The lore of it being used as a high producing compound comes from the US Cherokee and Black Foot Indians. These same Indians would also use Peyote in their religious ceremonies annually. Lore has it that around 1840 on their annual pilgrimage to collect Peyote they over shot the growing grounds and ended up in Mexico Vs Arizona/Texas . While in Mexico and in contact with local tribes a shaman told them to use the Diviner's sage instead of Peyote and claimed it was told to him in a vision that they would arrive and he was to provide them with the plant.

    The Indians used the plant (smoked via peace pipe) during their fast in the ceremony that would allow braves to become warriors. They claimed that while using S. Divinorum they would hear the voices of their ancestors judging them in 3 words , which would repeat over and over during the duration of the high/trip.
    The Indians practice of S. Divinorum use fell away from practice , possibly do to modern society encroaching on their lands and free passage being blocked by modern society. After which they went back to using only Peyote by the 1860's.

    I'm unaware how smoking S. Divinorum came into popular modern culture but I assume from Terence McKenna and his published writing of psychedelic use while traveling the North , Central and South Americas along side Timothy Leary. I saw use explode after 1996 when a magazine called "Head's" (from Canada) did a article on the drug. I tried using it about 200 times. The store bought ##X types are very different from the natural plant. Store bought types produce a near narcotic psychedelic effect with the drug effecting the body heavily and producing much more visual psychedelic effects. Smoking the plants leaves produces a more euphoric effect often resulting in out of body experiences and more mental trips Vs physical trips. Consumption of S. Divinorun via smoke has a window of usage of about 30 seconds to 1 minute and 30 seconds after which the user can not physically smoke more or understand 'what's going on' enough to actually smoke more. The high generally last 2-20 minutes. Natural leaves tend to last longer than the processed store bought products. S. Divinorum can also be chewed or ingested to produce a mild sedation effect, not so much a 'trip' but more of a slow down/heavy body effect or simply said a mild high.

    On a odd note. Through testing we found that generally if a user heard a spoken sentence or various words , 3 of those words would stick in your mind throughout the trip , repeating its self like a broken record. What this means.... I don't know. I assumed the limited cognitive effect produced by S. Divinorum also limited brain functions to literally be so small as to only be able to retain 3 sounds , usually the last sounds heard before the trip started.

    On a personal note , I would advise strong caution if you intend to use S. Divinorum. I feel it produces much stronger trips than any other psychedelics and its immediate come down often leads to severe depression, a general lost feeling or severe anxiety. In the idea that a person is tripping extremely hard one second and then 10 seconds later they are in a normal state of mind but believe they should be or might be still tripping. The switch from hardcore tripping to normal state of mind so fast is not easy to deal with. Many recovering psychedelic addicts I've spoke with have sighted salvia's trip to be their last and the drug that pushed them over the edge to stay clean and not go back to psychedelic drugs. I do not advise this as a method to clean up or detox.
    Last edited: Aug 28, 2015
  11. kgord

    kgord Community Champion

    It is interesting you ask that question. I haven't heard anything about Salivia for years. It seems to have been replaced with items like K2, Spice, bath salts, Molly, Kratom and other drugs. Salvia seems like a drug that has fallen out of favor for some reason and has been replaced by other things.
  12. Tremmie

    Tremmie Community Champion

    I don't think Salvia is used that much in Mexico anymore, the last time I heard of someone using it was some years ago. Tow people who were involved in the murder of a young girl. It made it to the news the persons involved killed the girl under the influence of this strange drug.
  13. vegito12

    vegito12 Community Champion

    I think it can be something which a person can be addicted to and also some people can add this and it can be very deadly, and also it can cause problems for the health of the person which can be dangerous. I have heard of some people using it and not thinking of the consequences, which can make a person have to spend time in the hospital for long periods of time. It is interesting to see this drug as it may look harmless and not seem like a big deal, and this is the misconception which people can feel and not think the right way.
  14. MsLucy

    MsLucy Active Contributor

    I had a real trippy night on that stuff. I was laughing hysterically, seeing things. I couldn't believe that stuff was legal. I just picked it up at the local smoke shop.
  15. Okaviator

    Okaviator Senior Contributor

    Salvia probably hasn't been getting sold anymore because there are drugs that give a better high. Now people are selling stuff like Krokodile in Russia. A cheaper version of heroin that gives the user a massive high.
  16. xTinx

    xTinx Community Champion

    Isn't Salvia a flowering plant? I like looking at its flowers, in fact. Little did I know it has psychoactive effects. When processed as a drug, it causes the user to see visions and takes them to some twisted spiritual dimension. I guess it's like marijuana in that regard. Not exactly harmful, can be used in moderation, but, when taken into excess, is capable of ruining your life.