@CMMW... I don't think @Dominica or anybody else here is telling people to try and get clean and sober on their own. I'm pretty sure we are all of the opinion that getting help is the best way to go about it. That said, to say that nobody gets clean and sober on their own would be a lie. So if somebody asks, "Is it possible to get sober without any help?" we're likely to say that it is possible. But not probable. Because to say it's not possible isn't the truth. I hope that makes sense.