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Discussion in 'General Substance Abuse Discussion' started by notaroundfesta, Jun 21, 2015.
Consuming/smoking small amount of weed is not more harmful than alcohol.
Jenga you are just substituting one bad thing for another. It is addictive and I will tell you why; People depend on having it and it is a ritual with rolling etc that I have seen people spend minutes and hours in their day doing. Once the high is gone there is not much kick in it anymore they try something new because they have in their minds that they have never been caught and it was not effective enough to be addictive. A family member of mine started with weed and ended up on crack so ridding yourself of weed and any substance that can have an effect on you without giving you a natural high (like with exercise) is addictive.
I think the reasons vary depending on the country. If we look at the United States for example, we see that alcohol has been a profitable "good" to trade since forever. A lot of people have gotten very rich exploiting vices. And with lobbying being such a big part of the lawmaking process, companies producing and selling alcohol are using laws to protect their share of the market.
Another reason could be the existence of private prisons that need to be full in order to stay profitable.
That has been said previously on studies that alcohol is far more dangerous than weed, most likely that is why because it's use is generally accepted in society, no one can live without it.
Well, think about it this way: How many times have you heard about people that died because of weed and how many times have you heard about people that died because of alcohol? I think that the answer to this question answers this one too. Except for addiction, weed is harmless to the human body. Of course, you should stay away from every kind of drug since they make you a weaker person and it's not worth the trade-off.
I have heard of people who have taken weed going to find other substances whilst high and waking up with syringes in their arms with no explanation. Once they realised they laughed it off but did it happen again? Yes it did. I also know of guys that died in car accidents after smoking weed. And an overdose happened here in South Africa with someone buying weed that had bad pips which caused the patient to dehydrate and then a heart stop.
It is legal in some states and it will eventually perhaps be legal in all states. WHY IS IT ILLEGAL? It has been illegal because this will create demand. Watch the progress of it now. It will be pushed even more and is not exactly as safe as what people think. You might get temporary relief from stress but later there will be other effects to reap havoc on your life. There is very specific reasons for this natural drug being legal, not legal, legal, not legal. The gov. is creating confusion, approval for some and not others; discrimination. It is best to just sit back and watch what goes on with this. You don't need it. It is all about money, control, and manipulation. Shouldn't it just be on the shelf of a health food store for you to buy is it is just a plant? There are actually plenty of herbs in the health food store to smoke or ingest for altered states.
Sounds like those pips, I mean peeps or pimps, Lol may have laced that mary j with something else. Cocaine or heroine. It's not good. All kinds of odd things happen when people do drugs and alcohol.
There are some interesting opinions here on the subject, mostly are borderline conspiracy theories about big scary corporations and hidden agendas and lost of profits ect.
Here's my take.
First off you have to remember NOTHING is that simple, laws and government are complicated messes that don't necessarily follow logical conventions. Yes weed isn't as bad as booze, but governments are run by lawyers and bureaucrats and not scientists and engineers.
In the early 1900 the temperance movement was gaining ground, and ALL psychoactive recreational drugs were targeted. Alcohol just happens to be the socially acceptable drug of choice for white middle class American's. That's the only reason it's prohibition didn't last.
The rest of the drugs were lumped together as satanic sinful acts and banned.
Add 50 years of misinformation and the war on drugs.
Okay fast forward to now. Most nations are run by old white guys who grew up in the anti-drug white middle class attitude. That attitude still persists and hence why weed is still illegal.
Things are changing fast though.
Let's wait a year and then have this conversation.
They are thinking of legalising it here but nobody is thinking of the children and people that do not want to be exposed to it. Cigarettes are being banned in many places and you have to smoke within your own space but obviously that wont make governments enough money and they will eventually legalise weed, not for safety reasons or any other reason other than to make money.
Alcohol is a wicked beast to beat! I had an addiction 5 years ago, I know how it feels to crave alcohol. I believe marijuana is so much healthier. I come from Newfoundland Canada, people there are known to be hard drinkers. If I had continued to drink as much and often as I did, I may be dead by now. In contrast, I find that since I began to use pot instead of drinking, my mindframe made a 360, I am not bothered by the little things that would cause a snowball effect of useless worry and stress. Drinking no longer does anything for me.
Probably because alcohol is more of a "social" thing and not everyone could be a heavy drinker while tobacco has its historic roots. On the other hand, weed could be more addictive. Just an opinion though.
Its not just about money, The Main thing is about the governments CONTROL.
02/11/2016 01:07 pm ET Updated Dec 06, 2017
Why Is Marijuana Banned? The Real Reasons Are Worse Than You Think
By The Influence
By Johann Hari
Across the world, more and more people are asking: Why is marijuana banned? Why are people still sent to prison for using or selling it?
Most of us assume it’s because someone, somewhere sat down with the scientific evidence, and figured out that cannabis is more harmful than other drugs we use all the time — like alcohol and cigarettes.
Somebody worked it all out, in our best interest.
But when I started to go through the official archives — researching my book Chasing The Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs — to find out why cannabis was banned back in the 1930s, I discovered that’s not what happened.
Not at all.
In 1929, a man called Harry Anslinger was put in charge of the Department of Prohibition in Washington, D.C. But alcohol prohibition had been a disaster. Gangsters had taken over whole neighborhoods. Alcohol — controlled by criminals — had become even more poisonous.
So alcohol prohibition finally ended — and Harry Anslinger was afraid. He found himself in charge of a huge government department, with nothing for it to do. Up until then, he had said that cannabis was not a problem. It doesn’t harm people, he explained, and “there is no more absurd fallacy” than the idea it makes people violent.
But then — suddenly, when his department needed a new purpose — he announced he had changed his mind.
He explained to the public what would happen if you smoked cannabis.
First, you will fall into “a delirious rage.” Then you will be gripped by “dreams... of an erotic character.” Then you will “lose the power of connected thought.” Finally, you will reach the inevitable end-point: “Insanity.”
Marijuana turns man into a “wild beast.“ If marijuana bumped into Frankenstein’s monster on the stairs, Anslinger warned, the monster would drop dead of fright.
Harry Anslinger became obsessed with one case in particular. In Florida, a boy called Victor Licata hacked his family to death with an axe. Anslinger explained to America: This is what will happen when you smoke “the demon weed.” The case became notorious. The parents of the U.S. were terrified.
What evidence did Harry Anslinger have? It turns out at this time he wrote to the 30 leading scientists on this subject, asking if cannabis was dangerous, and if there should be a ban.
Twenty-nine wrote back and said no.
Anslinger picked out the one scientist who said yes, and presented him to the world. The press — obsessed with Victor Licata’s axe — cheered them on.
In a panic that gripped America, marijuana was banned. The U.S. told other countries they had to do the same. Many countries said it was a dumb idea, and refused to do it. For example, Mexico decided their drug policy should be run by doctors. Their medical advice was that cannabis didn’t cause these problems, and they refused to ban it. The U.S. was furious. Anslinger ordered them to fall into line. The Mexicans held out — until, in the end, the U.S. cut off the supply of all legal painkillers to Mexico. People started to die in agony in their hospitals. So with regret, Mexico sacked the doctor — and launched its own drug war.
“The scientific evidence suggests cannabis is safer than alcohol. Alcohol kills 40,000 people every year in the U.S. Cannabis kills nobody.”
But at home, questions were being asked. A leading American doctor called Michael Ball wrote to Harry Anslinger, puzzled. He explained he had used cannabis as a medical student, and it had only made him sleepy. Maybe cannabis does drive a small number of people crazy, he said — but we need to fund some scientific studies to find out.
Anslinger wrote back firmly. “The marihuana evil can no longer be temporized with,” he explained, and he would fund no independent science. Then, or ever.
For years, doctors kept approaching him with evidence he was wrong, and he began to snap, telling them they were “treading on dangerous ground” and should watch their mouths.
Today, most of the world is still living with the ban on cannabis that Harry Anslinger introduced, in the nation-wide panic that followed Victor Licata’s killing spree.
But here’s the catch. Years later, somebody went and looked at the psychiatric files for Victor Licata.
It turns out there’s no evidence he ever used cannabis.
He had a lot of mental illness in his family. They had been told a year before he needed to be institutionalized — but they refused. His psychiatrists never even mentioned marijuana in connection to him.
So, does cannabis make people mad?
The former chief advisor on drugs to the British government, David Nutt, explains — if cannabis causes psychosis in a straightforward way, then it would show in a straightforward way.
When cannabis use goes up, psychosis will go up. And when cannabis use goes down psychosis will go down.
So does that happen? We have a lot of data from a lot of countries. And it turns out it doesn’t. For example, in Britain, cannabis use has increased by a factor of about 40 since the 1960s. And rates of psychosis? They have remained steady.
In fact, the scientific evidence suggests cannabis is safer than alcohol. Alcohol kills 40,000 people every year in the U.S. Cannabis kills nobody — although Willie Nelson says a friend of his did once die when a bale of cannabis fell on his head.
This is why, in 2006, a young man in Colorado called Mason Tvert issued a challenge to the then-mayor of Denver and eventual governor, John Hickenlooper. Hickenlooper owned brew-pubs selling alcohol across the state, and it made him rich. But he said cannabis was harmful and had to be banned. So Mason issued him a challenge — to a duel. You bring a crate of booze. I’ll bring a pack of joints. For every hit of booze you take, I’ll take a hit of cannabis. We’ll see who dies first.
It was the ultimate High Noon.
Mason went on to lead the campaign to legalize cannabis in his state. His fellow citizens voted to do it — by 55 percent. Now adults can buy cannabis legally, in licensed stores, where they are taxed—and the money is used to build schools. After a year and a half of seeing this system in practice, support for legalization has risen to 69 percent. And even Governor Hickenlooper has started calling it “common sense.”
Oh — and Colorado hasn’t been filled with people hacking their families to death yet.
Isn’t it time we listened to the science — and finally put away Victor Licata’s axe?
Johann Hari is a British journalist and author. This article is adapted from his New York Times best-sellling book Chasing The Scream: The First and Last Days of the War on Drugs. To find out why Glenn Greenwald, Noam Chomsky, Bill Maher, Naomi Klein and Elton John have all praised it, click here.
CORRECTION: This post has been updated to clarify that John Hickenlooper was the mayor of Denver in 2006. He became governor of Colorado in 2011.
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Very interesting and completely sad....Sad that common sense takes a backseat to politics.Unfortunately that's the world we live in today,literally everything in one way or another has some sort of political bias,either for or against ultimately dividing everyone into atleast 2 categorie's..atleast.
Interesting read, @takari1921. Thanks for sharing. By the way, I love Johann Hari's Chasing the Scream book. It's an eye-opener, for sure.
Personally, I don't have any issues with marijuana: I've never seen any evidence to convince me it’s more dangerous than alcohol or as dangerous as tobacco . I don’t drink alcohol or use any mind-altering drugs myself, but I'm in favor of legalization for various reasons. Moreover, marijuana is proved to have the positive effects on health according to many reputable resources. More on WeBeHigh